I realize it's hard to find jeans that fit comfortably and achieve the fit you want, but it gets a lot harder when you're relying on inaccurate measurement advice from the website and reviews that offer no details that might help approximate fit. For reference, I'm 5' 9" and about 135 lbs. I initi...ally bought these jeans in a size 8....they didn't fit like boyfriend jeans....they fit more like grandfather jeans. At least 2-3 sizes too big....although offered a very good laugh when tried on. So I went for a size 4....still too big across hips and butt. I like loose...but not a vertical fold on my bum. I'm not looking for anything that's earth shattering....just a pair of real cotton denim jeans that fit so well you can fall asleep in them (and NO....not the sweatpant kind!!). I already own lycra-rich jeans that make you feel like you're wearing compression underwear and I think most people agree that most of us would like to go back to 'real denim'. Unfortunately while these jeans met that requirement....the fit leaves a lot on the table. Hope this review help others that are looking...sad they weren't for me.