I have been buying these pants for 6 years now for my 2 grandsons. Last year was the first time I have ever had a problem with these pants. That's the reason for the 4 star review. Only problem was the extra lining in the knee area. First wash and one side came completely off. They've always had a t...hin useless lining. All the years of buying these pants the lining was great. The knee area tore after the first month so I had to repurchase both boys new pants. I buy these pants due to the overall look and durability of these pants. The new sets of pants still had the useless liner and came off after the first wash but that set of pants did last the remaining 8 months of the school year. Yes these pants are durable and don't fade after the first few washes either. I love these pants for my boys! They continue to look nice and the boys love the comfort of the pants. Please stop using the flimsy liner in the knees and go back to the lining you had 2 years ago! Overall love these pants. They